Episode 112: It’s Cougar Time

In: Podcasts by Edie Sellers

27 May 2010

microphoneNow, really, who doesn’t want a cougar? Especially if you’re playing Red Dead Redemption?

This week, we chat about Rockstar’s new Wild West–themed game, as well as Alan Wake (sort of) and a revisit to Oblivion.

In addition, Cooper Hawkes, Holy Goalie and Edie Sellers review the week’s news, including:

  • Lionhead Studio confirms that Fable 3 is coming to PC, but without a collector’s edition. Hrm.
  • THQ, Activision and Ubisoft are rumored to be eying EA Sports’ move to charge a premium for online play for second-hand games.
  • Recon Future Soldier pushed to 2011.
  • J. Allard leaving Microsoft?
  • Midway is officially dead.
  • Killzone 3 will be Killzone 3D.
  • Bioshock’s original pitch document is an interesting behind-the-scenes look at the game industry.
  • Split/Second $40 next week at Best Buy, Alan Wake is $49 on Amazon.


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14 Responses to Episode 112: It’s Cougar Time



May 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am

Just listening to the podcast … how about a compromise? Hawkes is not allowed to play (any games) for 24 hours after a cigarette. Oh yea … I like Holy Goalie’s picture idea.



May 27th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

I believe I left a Itunes review a few weeks ago , but you must remember to change the country , Im in Canada so I guess thats why you missed it



May 28th, 2010 at 8:45 am

I got up to where you started talkin about read dead and in comes goalie with the spoiler that i didnt evan know which was your wife and kids have been taken and you dont get them back till you take down your old gang, a spoiler warning would have been nice. Thanks for fuckin the story up for me.

Not happy!


Holy Goalie

May 28th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

Knucklehead, are you serious? Spoiler?

That is the theme of the story. It’s mentioned in every preview and 100 times in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Think before you play the S card.



May 28th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

If that’s a spoiler, then EVERYTHING in the game is a spoiler.



May 29th, 2010 at 6:12 am

Goalie had Oblivions enemy levels 100% incorrect. All enemies were scaled to your level in Oblivion. If you go back to kill a rat at level 30, it was a level 30 rat. You go to kill a skeleton at level 5, its a level 5 skeleton.

Oblivion did have a difficulty slider that you could adjust though.

Oblivion is a good game, its just outdated. Newer games with new game mechanics don’t make it a bad game, just an old game.



May 29th, 2010 at 6:36 am

I 100% disagree on project $10 being bullshit. I disagree for multiple reasons.

1. The people who make the game deserve the money. A used copy of the game being sold is no better for the developer of the game than piracy. They get no money for this sale, in fact, you could argue its a direct lost sale unlike piracy. These poeple obviously wanted to buy the game, they just wanted to pay less. A lot of pirates play games because they can, but would never pay any money.

2. The argument that they are already paying for Xbox Live holds no water. This policy applies to Xbox and PS3. EA does not get a cut of the XBox Live subscription. It is the price you pay to Microsoft to get that service. If you don’t like it, you play a PS3 instead.

You can often get used games that still have the codes in them also. I am willing ot bet that most copies of sports games sold to Gamestop are not by people who play online. They play it single player until bored and then sell it for the next big thing. Sports games lose value to Gamestop so fast its not even funny.

If you buy a used game from Gamefly, you always get all the new game bonuses and you get it cheaper than you typically will from Gamestop. You can get a game on release week, keep it and pay $45 for a $60 game and get all the goodies with it.

I think $10 is very fair to ask from a used title for online play to support those that make the game.



May 29th, 2010 at 9:37 am

Major, that’s the point. I didn’t find it to be a problem mechanically. The mechanics were a bit clunky, but for the most part, they worked.

Hell, I find the mechanics of Oblivion preferable to Alan Wake! But that’s not saying much.

The problem was that it was slow, plodding game with an overly complicated story and was made to seem that it was a longer game by artificially bloating missions with travel. That’s not something that’s a function of mechanics, that’s how the game is written. Maybe back when it was new, we demanded less of our games and simply having a major epic-length game with such amazing (for the time) mechanics made us overlook the rest of the shortcomings, but now that I put another 20 hours into another playthrough, I get it… That game is dull as fuck. Gorgeous, but dull as fuck.


Mr Maynard

May 29th, 2010 at 9:49 am

All this talk about Oblivion now wants me to play it. Thank god I got a new copy of GOTY Ed for cheap.

Now then, the $10 doesnt worry me that much, untill it carries on to genres I DO play (not much of a sports guy really). When it does, you’ll know my panties will be in a bunch like most of the majority.

Over all this episode was done well.. and also now Edie, you owe me a knew coke. I thought Its Cougar time ment you were hitting on younger folks like me. LOL.

Before I go, Edie my report is about done on Split/Second! You should pull the trigger at Best Buy for it!


Holy Goalie

June 1st, 2010 at 10:29 am


If you get more points than your opponent in Madden Football, then you will win.



June 1st, 2010 at 12:43 pm

Sorry Goalie–but that RDR thing was a spoiler. That is not revealed “in the first five minutes.” It’s hours into the game–several, depending on the order you tackle the missions.


Holy goalie

June 1st, 2010 at 1:25 pm

Dude with all due respect, every source reported this as the Story Line.
In one of the first scenes he tells Bonnie all of this.
This is not some huge revelation. This is the backdrop for the game.
WTF people?



June 1st, 2010 at 8:00 pm

I have to go and second MajMalfunction on the EA online pass.

1. Like he said, EA gets NOTHING from used game sales and they can possibly lose money. When you have a game like Mass Effect 2 being bought used, it doesn’t cost EA anything when you play it and they could possibly make money from any DLC you purchase. If I buy Madden 11 or NCAA Football 11 used and join an online dynasty and play a couple of online games a week, you are costing EA money from their server costs.

2. Hawkes argues that you are double dipping by paying for Xbox Live and an EA pass. He is completely wrong on this point. EA Sports games are run on their own servers unlike Halo or Call of Duty which run on Microsofts Xbox Live servers. Plus, this is all a mute point for those who buy the game new.

3. Sports gamers often purchase the new version on a yearly or bi-yearly basis. As an avid sports gamer, I would argue that sports gamers who play competitively online or who engage in online dynasty play are already predisposed to buy the new version every year. Anyone who goes into a gamestop to buy madden 09 or NBA 2K8 right now is doing so expecting to find a robust online experience. While the servers are usually supported for at least 3 years after release, you would be hard pressed to find a good game online because of the nature of the sports gaming audience.

4. I find it very hypocritical that the gaming press who is so quick to marginalize and dismiss sports gamers as frat boys and casual sheep gamers are stepping up to defend us while being so poorly informed. Last year, Madden 10 and NCAA Football 10 had a code you had to activate in order to play online dynasty mode and if you bought the game used you had to pay $10 to activate it. There was little to no complaints or fanfare about it last year so why pipe up now?

5. Hawkes complained about the fact that you have to pay $10 for every sports game you bought and that “hand me down” gamers would suffer the most. Once again it need to be stated that this is only for used game purchases, and people who buy used sports games are far less likely to play online. And people who get the games second hand and want to play online probably wouldnt have a big issue paying the $10 for online play since they got a free game. Plus they have a 7day trial period anyway.

At the end of the day, this is much ado about nothing. I could see the outrage if people who bought the game new were forced to pay an additional $10 charge or the game was gimped out of the box and you had to pay additional fees for the complete game. But this is not the case at all. All this does is ensure that EA makes some money from anyone who plays the game online, whether it be from a full or sales price purchase of a new game or $10 pass for a used game purchase.



June 2nd, 2010 at 8:48 am

The real problem with one-use codes is that the online descriptions do not mention the specifics. For example Gamestop and Amazon do not mention that there is a separate one-use code on Alan Wake, Forza 3, or anything else. Amazon warehouse deals now state: “Full game is included, but bonus downloadable content may have already been redeemed” whether it needs it or not to cover their ass. This info should be given on the publisher site specifically; they only way we hear about it is if we happen to see a news release.

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